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Wisconsin gun laws are dangerous

I rarely respond to the talkback feature that accompanies articles on OnMilwaukee.com. I figure I had my say and now it's time for readers to have their say.

But I am making an exception this week because of the vitriolic comments on my column last week opposing the Castle Doctrine and Concealed Carry laws in Wisconsin.

I believe the anger of those responses helps to prove the point that guns in the hands of citizens is just asking for dangerous things to happen.

People called the Castle Law "the great equalizer."

Here's a sampling of other comments (Note: Comments edited for grammar) on the law and on the incident in Slinger where a young man was shot by a homeowner who discovered the youth hiding on his porch at 2 a.m. one morning:

"Free, level-headed, law-abiding citizens get permits and carry guns because they can't carry a cop, Dave Begel. You're a moron."

"It is unfortunate that the young man in Slinger was shot and killed, but he made a series of very bad decisions that put him where he was."

"As far as Bo Morrison goes, whether you like it or not, he entered someone's home without their permission. He got what he deserved. He wasn't an innocent kid, he had a lengthy record and was violating the law when he got shot."

"I would like to see what you would do if faced with being mugged or god forbid your family members being held up by gunpoint. Would you still try and rationalize with the guy or would you just shoot him?"

"As most East side liberal elitists you have no idea what the rest of the city is like because you never leave your nice Lake View neighborhood, especially at night."

"Look at the family raped burned alive and murdered in Connecticut, or the 50-something-year-old couple robbed, and the 53-year-old Minneapolis wife raped at the hands of the offender. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable but this is why I carry a gun, and so does my wife. As long as you don't try to rob me, rape my wife or enter my home uninvited, I promise not to shoot you."

"As far as the shooting in Slinger, it was very unfortunate but actions have consequences. Drinking alcohol, then fleeing from police and finally entering someone's private property were all choices that person made. He put himself in harm's way."

"If someone threatens me or my family on my property while I wouldn't shoot to kill unless absolute necessary – I will definitely not back down from anyone. Although it may be better to shoot to kill so you don't get sued by the thief or thug trying to cause you harm."

If you take the passion out of this and just view it impartially, you get the feeling that these people think they are living in the Wild West with gangs of marauders patrolling the streets looking for victims to rape and pillage and murder.

Don't people realize that nothing good comes from using a gun to shoot at someone?

I almost get the sense, and I know there are no studies to back it up, that a lot of these people are hoping that they are put in harm's way soon so they can blast someone to death with their Glock or Smith & Wesson.

It's crazy.

I mean it seems like the lunatics have gotten control of our asylum. We have a country and a state that is faced with many problems and difficulties in search of serious solutions.

Instead, we've got people fighting to keep a gun on their hip, to prevent gay people from getting married and ordering women to get an ultrasound before having an abortion.

Pardon me if I'm worried about Wisconsin. I have to live here. And I'm a lot more afraid of some guy with a gun just waiting to shoot somebody than I am about the kids who break into my car to steal change about every three months or so.

It's not even close.

Talkbacks

beefsupreme | April 2, 2012 at 10:17 a.m. (report)

You're living in a dreamworld Dave. I think you should have titled this piece "I agree with Hitler on gun controll" or "constitution shmonstitution". Check out the book "dial 911 and die". Also, consider how insulting it would seem to actual crime victims to read that you think some missing change is even worth mentioning in a debate about people's right to defend themselves.

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jamie | March 30, 2012 at 5:03 p.m. (report)

Why are you scared of getting shot? Do you plan on breaking into someone's house anytime soon or robbing someone with a deadly weapon? Protip: Don't commit violent crimes.

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Broner | March 30, 2012 at 12:34 p.m. (report)

Hey Dave, here's an example of a criminal with a gun that lead to a tragic result. I'm sure you're feverishly typing out a column criticizing actual criminals who have guns, right? http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/8yearold-possibly-shot-accidentally-by-another-child-it4q76n-145142995.html

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Papakoho | March 30, 2012 at 11:19 a.m. (report)

The more I think about Mr. Begel's article the more I question where this attitude towards gunowners comes from. As a licensed gun dealer, I interact with present and future gun owners daily. I have never heard anyone use the arguments that Mr. Begel uses. These people do not want to shoot someone. They are not the "angry mob" that Mr. Begel thinks is out there. These are ordinary, everyday people who look at our current moral decay and are afraid. They are afraid that they will be the 1 in 3 people who will witness or be a victim of a violent crime this year in this country. They see our Government shredding our Bill of Rights and using our Constituion for toilet paper. They see the Executive Orders and Homeland Security posturing to relieve us of our food, our transportation, and above all else, our right to defend ourselves against an oppressive Government. And that, Mr. Begel, is what the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is about. Don't fear the guns or the gun owners. Fear those who would vote to put the current administration in office. They are the real "bad guys." They are the ones who have put us in a situation where we feel the need to defend ourselves.

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brewguru | March 30, 2012 at 10:00 a.m. (report)

Dear Mr. Lefty: You end your article with "I have to live in Wisconsin....And I'm a lot more afraid of some guy with a gun just waiting to shoot somebody than I am about the kids who break into my car to steal change about every three months or so...." First off, no one WANTS to shoot anyone. Law abiding citizens FINALLY have the right to defend themselves. Your preference is for the criminals to run free? Break into people's houses at 2am and take anything they want? THAT is the wild west you so happily term the new law as. And if you HAVE to live in Wisconsin, like you say, please look at the criminal reports over the last couple of years. It's perfectly right, in your opinion, to be ropped, "raped and pillaged"? And, as Broner says, if the most crime you've ever experience is losing some change from your car, you don't really live in Wisconsin now, do you? Do some research sometime, it might surprise you.

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